PrinceWizdom: I don’t know if you are saying this to benefit us or those that view this from the future. But you know, instead of constant criticism and warnings of consequences of our actions, it’d be great if all you ‘benevolent’ extraterrestrials can actually provide a concrete solutions to our problems.

reptiliandude: That’s the problem with the human species. You avoid personal responsibility like it’s the plague and then expect others to hand you a free lunch simply because they had the foresight to pack two sandwiches instead of none.

ACuriousHumanBeing: I guess one could say we learned from the best.

PrinceWizdom: Oh please. I beg to differ. We wouldn’t be in the predicament we are if it weren’t for extra terrestrial meddling. Y’all cause the problems and then expect us to deal with the consequences and threaten to destroy us if we don’t solve the problems you guys caused in the first place.

If all extra terrestrials fucked off our planet several thousand years ago we’d be much better off than we currently are.

reptiliandude: Be as angry and embittered as you wish.

The fact of the matter is that if it wasn’t for us, you’d still be grooming yourselves like apes.

And if not for our ‘meddling’ as you call it, you’d have already succumbed to any of a dozen natural contagions found here which would have taken every advantage of your self-destructive nature and perversity.

Keeping you from destroying yourselves on a daily basis has an actual cost and that ledger must be kept in the black.

So you’re essentially paying for your own upkeep in ways which until now were unbeknownst to you.

You mad, bro?

Don’t be.

Despite all the horrible things thrust upon your species there was at least a higher purpose and a desire to preserve you as a viable investment.

Don’t imagine for one minute that despite the austere and pragmatic approach we’ve taken with you, that had we left you to your own devices you’d have thrived.

You would most certainly have not thrived: but instead, been a footnote in the unheralded record of an obscure world far removed from the hustle and bustle of those far less demolitionary than yourselves.

PrinceWizdom: Actually we’d not be such a flawed species if not for your intervention in the first place. It’s better to be apes and evolve at the pace the One set, than take the fast track of evolution and become flawed.

Succumbing to natural contagions may or may not have happened. You cannot determine fate nor take credit for ‘averting’ a disaster that may or may not have happened. Especially when you did it for your benefit.

We would never have become the self destructive species we are if you hadn’t intervened in our natural evolutionary process. That cost on your ledger are simply overheads of your own miscalculation. It is appropriate that you should pay for it.

We aren’t paying for our upkeep. The Naigaje have kept telling others and themselves this lie so much it’s like they believe it themselves now. We are being exploited for your industry and the Naigaje use a facade of ‘helping’ is only a away of explaining away their guilt and sins.

The Naigaje should pull their heads out of their ass. There was no higher purpose. It was pure profit that motivated them.

As I said- stop taking credit for ‘averting’ what ‘may have been’. Fate is under the purview of the One. Even the great Insectoids don’t dare say that they twist fate. It seems by saying ‘most certainly’ your certain that fate would have played out how you have envisioned it. Are the Naigaje trying to say that they can control fate, likening themselves to the One? That’s blasphemy in any species in any universe.

Huh, no species has dared to liken themselves to the One for a long time. Seems like the Naigaje truly are either extremely bold or extremely stupid.

You do not know if we would have died off. You do not know if we would have faded in to obscurity. You do not know how fate would have played out for humans. Do not pretend that ‘despite everything’ you gave solutions for problems that ‘may have been’. This cognitive bias is worse than what human SJWs have against their opponents. It seems to plague the entire Naigaje’s upper echelons.

Add the fact the Yeshua grafted humans in to his ‘house’ 2000 years ago, shows that you were wrong about your assumptions about what ‘may have been’. The One has plans for humans. Had we have evolved without intervention the One had his plans for us. However he made do because of your huge fuck up with the human race.

So please my dear Naigaje. Unless you are truly willing to liken yourselves to the One, all such arguments are null and void. Your an ‘elder’ race so please put your think tanks together and come up with more arguments,lies,excuses etc etc. These little humans here will tear apart the ‘safe space’ you have created for yourselves from your empty words and expose you for the greedy, shameless, conniving and ungrateful species that you truly are.

reptiliandude: “If you eat of it, you shall not surely die. More importantly, you shall learn how to question things: thus, you shall be more like the One who made you in that you shall be able to distinguish between the good and the evil of things.”

From the Naigajian Book of Origins, wherein a tale similar to that of Genesis contains a story of creation and a fall from grace where a ‘monkey’ in a tree deceived a male and a female of my species, so that they were cast out of a Paradise of ignorance and bliss.

My people are already held to a higher standard, as we have received expanded metaphors and a more diverse knowledge with which to work out those things beyond our hunter and gatherer origins than you.

Therefore, you shall not sit in the ‘judgement seat’ over us, any more than primary schoolers would demand pledges from the faculty of a University.

As for bringing primitives out of the jungle and educating them, we’ve already fared better than you in that regard.

For at least we didn’t abandon to their own devices those who labored to build our own civilizations.

The lesser evil of things declares to all that it is better to be used, than cast out as useless.

My people have an expression that mocks critics like you which goes much like this: He much prefers to piss on the berry bush than to labor to bring water to it in a bucket.

Such is the attitude of most people I have met who discover the reality of the human condition.

You criticize, and then hold your hands out as if some form of guilt or sense of personal responsibility for your accelerated evolution might compel us to now care for you like pets.

First demonstrate to us that you can care for your own by simplifying and managing your own convoluted and predatory legal systems and how you deal with the fatherless among the descendants of your own slaves, then get back to us about what you think constitutes ‘justice.’

dogsdontfly: So, the apes were tempted by the serpent… and the serpents were tempted by the ape. And the all fell from Grace.

explorer1357: “…you shall shall learn…”

I think I deserve a prize. I have found RD’s very first double typo. I hope I get a nice prize, like a all expense paid trip to planet Naigaje or something like that…

reptiliandude: Corrected. Thanks.

Here’s your prize.

explorer1357: Idk bro…i feel a little…ripped off??

reptiliandude: ?

explorer1357: Much better. So at what bar and time are we meeting up? Got some good clubs with high female to guys ratios we can hit up…

PrinceWizdom: Trust me. Despite our flaws, the humans here aren’t like you Naigaje, likening ourselves to the One. Your judgement will be from Him and the Assembly. Judge you? Don’t make me laugh. We don’t want anything to do with any of you!

Your comment in primitives is touché and is not even a rebuttal to my comments. It seems like your running out of things to defend your species with. I guess you are hoping the primitives should thank for your ‘hard’ work? Should their glistening eyes be glowing with gratefulness as they look at you? In a few hundred years they’ll realise the negative consequences of your help and curse your species with their every breath.

The ‘lesser evil’? Oh who is this? I’d love to know. Is there someone greater than the One? Or do the Naigaje brand themselves to be this ‘lesser evil’ that uses other species?(well you certainly are using the humans well for your industries so keep up the good work!) Oh I keep forgetting how much you like likening yourselves to the Creator. Blasphemy amoung blasphemy seems like a second nature to the Naigaje so I’m no longer surprised. It’s like you’ll have gone down a hole of cognitive bias that runs deep in to your bones.

Besides who are you to assume that we’d be useless? I think the One should be the judge of that. No point going over that argument again.

Oh please, I was merely stating your duty if the Naigaje want redemption from your sins. we don’t want any of your so called ‘compensation’. We don’t want ANYTHING From you or to do with you. Everything coming from extra terrestrials have strings attached to them. We want our freedom from you meddling cancerous species. It might be an alien concept but let me enunciate it clearly- Leave. Us. The. Fuck. Alone.

We have been grafted to the One by the efforts of Yeshua. We are under no obligation to prove anything to you. We are under no obligation to do anything shitty extra terrestrials tell us with regards to anything, be it legal systems, fatherless, slavery etc. Who do you think you are to require a reckoning from us? Are the Naigaje the Assembly? If we do have anything to give answer for will do it to the One and the Assembly directly. You don’t have to worry about that. We will pay for our sins and our reckoning will be a breath of relief for the species.

All you could do is bring up a reason as to why we should prove ourselves to you. Oh wait! I already proved that those arguments are null and void. Whoops.

PS- is your pissing on the bush metaphor a desperate stab at refuting my words? Please throw those wise words of your species in the garbage. If your species were so wise they wouldn’t be colluding with the very Kayeen that tried to destroy them. If your commoners were so wise they wouldn’t remain ignorant of the actions of the upper echelons of your species. If your species was so wise they wouldn’t ignore their own prophecies. The foolishness of of your species knows no bounds and yet they have the gall to call humans debt sheep. The pot calling the kettle black. Listening to wise words from a powerful yet foolish species is like expecting pig’s shit to contain gem stones.

I guarantee that the Naigaje would be in a worse situation than humans, should the roles have been reversed- if the current levels of foolishness of the two species are any indication

garbotalk: Reading this argument reminds me of my first angry debates with you almost two years ago. I’ve come very far since then.

I grew up wondering if there were aliens, if they existed and if I would ever meet them. Then I met one, thinking how cool it was aliens existed and thrilled I was permitted to know the secret. He was Kayeen who told truth AND lies to me. But I didn’t know about the lies at the time. I believed him when he said aliens were benevolent watchers who protected humanity.

Then I went looking for a reptilian and discovered you, RD. And you told me truths that made me furious! I challenged every word you said.

As difficult as it was to hear, I’m so grateful to know because perhaps I can help my people do something about it.

It broke my heart to realize that we are experimental bunnies in an earthly cage. We are not the apex, God’s favorite children. We have been arrogant and foolish, detached and uncaring, dismissive and demanding. And we were getting close to being harvested forever by these so called guardians who covet our immunities, our talents, even our bodies themselves, and always have.

In fact, we haven’t been left alone since Homo Erectus, that’s how long aliens have been around messing with us, infecting us, splicing us, raping us, bloodletting us, murdering us.

I cried to God, begging Him to help me understand how this could be so? How could beings grow so sophisticated and intelligent, but not also grow in benevolence and empathy equally? How could He allow such evil to prosper and perpetuate, not just on our planet, but many harvest planets all over the universe? Why was evil allowed to thrive? Where was His justice and mercy for the least of His children?

After much prayer and many dreams, I got my answer. All of us have free will. There is no free will unless there are choices between good and evil, not just for humans, but for aliens too.

We are, all of us, being tested. What we choose to do in our lives are the things that define us, good, bad, or somewhere in the middle. We can take more than we give and be rewarded temporarily in this life alone. Or we can give more than we take and gain eternal rewards from the One Himself that last forever. Which is more precious?

Do we simply accept the negatives we face or do we try to make the world a better place for those who follow us? Do we join in selfish and greedy pursuits or give of ourselves and our treasures? Do we lie, manipulate and steal or do we work hard an provide for ourselves AND others? Do we learn and grow or stagnate and decay? Do we build up or do we tear down? Do we love or do we hate? Do we forgive or are we vengeful?

These are our choices, individually and collectively. What we choose to do has ramifications too numerous to list here. But I believe that God who is patient and watches us all WILL have His say. And when He does, it will forever change all of our destinies.

I no longer beg for mercy from aliens. They will soon be begging for mercy themselves. Instead, I pray that God’s will be done.

explorer1357: Wait so how did you meet this kayeen dude??

garbotalk: Years ago, before I encountered RD here, I met them, and one in particular shared a great many things. For his safety and mine, that is all I’ll say.

reptiliandude: Be as angry and embittered as you wish.

The fact of the matter is that if it wasn’t for us, you’d still be grooming yourselves like apes.

And if not for our ‘meddling’ as you call it, you’d have already succumbed to any of a dozen natural contagions found here which would have taken every advantage of your self-destructive nature and perversity.

Keeping you from destroying yourselves on a daily basis has an actual cost and that ledger must be kept in the black.

So you’re essentially paying for your own upkeep in ways which until now were unbeknownst to you.

You mad, bro?

Don’t be.

Despite all the horrible things thrust upon your species there was at least a higher purpose and a desire to preserve you as a viable investment.

Don’t imagine for one minute that despite the austere and pragmatic approach we’ve taken with you, that had we left you to your own devices you’d have thrived.

You would most certainly have not thrived: but instead, been a footnote in the unheralded record of an obscure world far removed from the hustle and bustle of those far less demolitionary than yourselves.

Deckard256: Humans have a long track record of making stupid choices.
For whatever help has come our way, some gratitude and thanks is in order.
Thank you.

Rufustar: Well RD, As long as I can comprehend we are everything and did everything as You describe, which makes me wonder what kind of species (however meaningless at “now and here it is -> beacon, beacon, beacon) we were, when we were having a proper amount of DMT in our brains with a life long up to thousand of years + other abilities (as You do), what have we become is nothing more than “lobotomized” monkeys. How much “in-sync” would Naigaje be if They were the same way lobotomized geckos (pardon the horrible pun). How much would we differ. It brings us back to the conclusion:

How did humans behave during their first interaction with Kayeen. How much of unpredictable and unstoppable deception was that.

How did reptilians behave during their first interaction with Kayeen. How much of unpredictable and unstoppable deception was that.

We know what happened later. U did what had to be done. We didn’t.

That is the conclusive point. What is later is watching how kiddos with downsyndrome fail at decyphering Newton’s code.

With humility, I was the kid who asked her mums too many questions.

My gratitude is of the same size as of my impartiality.

By the way: respect for the human-like emotional submission, don’t say You don’t get tiny-satisfied when u shut somebody’s mouth like that, I was almost sure I could have noticed a spark of that, how sentient is this…(I am not ridiculing) I can’t get satisfied with Your uniqueness Prince.

Pardon, I am not soft-soaping. However it’s a strange feeling to be there reading this and minutes later talking with my parents about earthbound stuff, I really wish I could let them into my head, as I’m trying for few years with people. I’m just getting more and more lonely instead, but it doesn’t matter I am working on the message with impact. Let my testimony be a light for them.

Have a nice day, folks.

PrinceWizdom: Dude… What are you talking about? Do you not want us to decipher Newton’s code? And why are you insulting those who are trying?

And why should you be lonely? You do know that people on this sub have organised elsewhere right? Why do not join one if these groups?

And why do you condemn asking questions? Isn’t that the point of this sub? To get people talking and asking questions?

Don’t misunderstand, i am not attacking you… Just trying to understand why you come from.

[EDIT] We hadn’t even evolved when the Kayeen came, mixed their DNA with early homo erectus to create homo sapiens. The Naigaje were an early agrarian society with established currencies, economies and political systems when the Kayeen attacked. How can those two situations be the same in anyway? (It should also be noted that zombified homo sapiens with implants in their brains were used to invade the Naigaje as tools)