ACuriousHumanBeing: Concerning abortion, I remember you saying you weren’t asking us to go back to the days where woman would use coat hangers in alleyways. How would you suggest we avoid this problem, and avoid the problems of self induced abortions and the fall out from such practices. Even when outlawed, humans fall to these practices, how do we avoid this? I’d really like to avoid those patterns again.

reptiliandude (Admin): That’s simple. Tell men that it’s none of their damn business. Keep that attitude, always. But at the same time, ignore the shrill voices of the manic and those without conscience who seek to quench empathy and to make this issue about themselves. This seems to be a growing problem in the women’s movements, and it hinders the empowerment of the many. That is because these types of ‘leaders’ cannot readily admit to lying and often grasp at fabricating things, because to such mindsets the end justifies the means. Well, that and they always have to make issues about themselves… and that takes away from addressing the actual issues, because in part these types are ‘triggered’ so easily. You need mothers as the leaders for this movement—not narcissistic single-types who’ve been corrupted by a system which has relegated them to nothing more than a motivational force to satiate the desires and drive forward the ambitions of corrupt men. Society is built by mothers demanding justice for themselves and their daughters. But those rights hard-earned are always carted away when narcissists and whores command center stage. Keep the whores quiet and in the back of the room. Snatch away their phones and their attention grabbing social media for the remainder of the presentation and shove a few pamphlets in their hands, for fuck’s sakes. And cast a narrow eye on any industry that seeks to profit from the tissues obtained therein. Such industries always find ways to plant seeds to keep the flow of product coming. And you would be quite cross were you to discover that some of those you’ve entrusted the women’s movement to are among their loyal associates.

ACuriousHumanBeing: Funny, this is the most feminist thing you’ve said. It’s an intense respect for woman and thier power. Makes me think about my own mom and her wisdom.

reptiliandude (Admin): In the Naigajian version of ‘Origins’ (which is akin to your Genesis) both were hunters together in the field. But ‘God’ took them aside and placed them in a ‘garden.’ He told them both that this place was a ‘sanctuary’ and that they could not hunt therein. He then commanded the male to name all the creatures He would bring before him. And to the female he commanded that she name all the herbs and discover their uses. When she complained that her labors were more difficult, God told her that she was just better suited for this than her lumbering mate who lacked both the patience and the persistence to make a good work of it without getting upset. She was quieted upon hearing this and asked, ‘But what of those herbs which could cause me harm? How shall I know them?’ To which the Lord replied, ‘Well, there is a lumbering beast who speaks your language and enjoys your cooking does he not?’ He then showed the woman how to take clay and to scribe such with words and signs and to bake it in a oven in the dirt. One day the male stumbled upon her cooking a tablet and he asked what benefit it was to bake something one could not eat. It was then that she said in her heart, ‘How wise is the Lord…’ So, we take a different view of our natural differences than you do. Such differences were always illustrated in our religious texts. Thus, we do not fall into political strife and male v female obsessives as you humans do. Nature brought us forth playing roles and we realized that adapting to our unique strengths and growing them instead of pretending that differences didn’t exist was the better path.

fieldlilly: I love this story. My heart breaks when I see women disavowing all the wonderful things of our gender because they have been told their entire lives both directly and indirectly that their female contributions are not as worthy as a man’s. Real women know that whether they re a mother, a career woman or both they bring something to the table unique and valuable. They don’t have to act like a man to do it.

reptiliandude (Admin): Since I’m already in trouble, I might as well inform you that in your own story of origins the woman was assigned the task of discovering the purpose of herbs as well. But this critical part was removed, and the texts including such burned as non-canonical and—though I am especially loathe to use this term— non-patriarchal. What really happened is that the powerful feared that encouraging herbalist activities among the women would result in poisoning and threats to inheritance and succession. Though polygamy was originally invented by women to decrease their workload and provide company during the times their men were at war, at sea or out plowing their fields, the wealthy and the powerful saw it as a social justification to start a new hobby ‘collecting’ women as chattel. Things went downhill from there as there were no publicly available ‘religious’ texts such as there are now, which are held to be sacrosanct and to be outside state authority and control. There was just the priesthood, and an illiterate population who needed to be read to like children. Nonetheless, that part of your own scriptures was removed. The woman’s true strengths and contributions were thus obscured.

garbotalk (Moderator): The priesthood also derided Mary as a prostitute, eliminated her book from the bible and also other books written by or about strong women.

ACuriousHumanBeing: And lets restore it, as we know better.

reptiliandude (Admin): By glorifying whorish behavior, events are set into motion which usually within the third and forth generations results in a violent push-back, where most gains made by good women are rendered naught. It is not the whore that is the liberator, but the virgin and the whore whose bloody issue had been healed. It is metaphorical. Such teachings were as insulting to the Roman hedonists as they are to today’s.

ACuriousHumanBeing: Are there any copies of these burned texts still alive? Evidently you still know somehow, despite the trouble many went through to destroy them. Is there anyway to restore these texts?

reptiliandude (Admin): Those who seize control of the present, often seek to recreate the past. To do that, one must burn fields and clear the land.

fieldlilly: So, my Grandma came from a rather Matriarchial background that survived in North America… at least for a time. She passed on quite a love herbs and other things that are quite unfortunately missing in most of our society. I believe you stated in an earlier thread later deleted or modified hat it was a specific warlord that feared these women. If my old testament is up to speed… and it normally is… the Levitical and Deuteronomical prohibitions against poisoners got amended right around the time of Saul, or was it David?

reptiliandude (Admin): About this time was when the shit finally hit the fan. Thutmose III was not happy.

DankNethers: Ruh roh…

ACuriousHumanBeing: Ironic and depressing that the a thing meant to empower woman, polygamy, were perverted by men to collect woman like trading cards. I pray the woman of my people restore their institutions with an intense tact and understanding. Life finds a way.

reptiliandude (Admin): There is strength in numbers. And the women had those numbers, and save but in times of war or conflict the final say within the household was their prerogative. To put it bluntly, men are ‘horndogs.’ Thus via a polygamy controlled exclusively by women was disease averted, loyalty encouraged and the rule within the house established by a sisterhood, while the edifice without was supported by the strength and protective desires of the man. But again, this system which rewarded and encouraged his masculinity and strength in exchange for his loyalty and labor was corrupted by those without conscience. Women thus lost control of this system and it was taken over by another which relegated them to chattel. Even in modern times, men have never been happier than those days so long ago when women ruled the inside of the homes while cheering on the men for laboring without.